WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.445 --> 00:00:11.275 Welcome to all that good for the workshop on digital resources, which will be presented this afternoon by Kelly McGrath this is David frehaska at the University of Akron and I'll be the moderator for this session. 2 00:00:11.935 --> 00:00:20.425 Those of you to follow up all that on social media attendees. Are welcome to post on Twitter anything about the conference by using the hashtag olack at 40. 3 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:31.710 Before we begin the workshop, I'd like to share some housekeeping items about how this session will be conducted. 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Actually be sent directly to the host. 22 00:03:31.050 --> 00:03:35.610 In the drop down menu for 2 within the chat, select toast. 23 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.659 Now, what I would like to present your speaker for the workshop calima grass. 24 00:03:43.014 --> 00:03:56.395 Tell you is the metadata management library, and at the University of Oregon, she has an experience to me to get media catalog has been active and all that for many years. She has a former chair of cap C and it's currently all liaison to the. 25 00:03:58.074 --> 00:04:11.485 She is particularly interested in ways to make library metadata, more useful for humans and for machines and ways to design discovery interfaces to make better use of library metadata without further ado. Here's calima. Crass. 26 00:04:22.345 --> 00:04:28.524 I'm trying to pass it now. I have to remember to mute myself and I'm talking to my pass it to, you. 27 00:04:29.939 --> 00:04:34.889 Okay, Kelly, you should have the ball now and then your slide should also be showing. 28 00:04:34.889 --> 00:04:39.269 Okay, is everybody seen my slides now? Yes, we are. 29 00:04:39.269 --> 00:04:44.608 You are all right you mean the 1st, technical hurdle over. 30 00:04:44.608 --> 00:04:51.119 So, thank you everybody for coming to this workshop on cataloguing digital resources. 31 00:05:00.509 --> 00:05:12.689 Sorry about that. I clicked the wrong thing. Let's see here 1 took digital resources is a broad topic that can encompass encompass many things. 32 00:05:12.689 --> 00:05:15.718 And I'm only going to cover a few today. 33 00:05:15.718 --> 00:05:18.959 Time to spend about half the time on streaming media. 34 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.968 But I'm not actually going to tell you everything that you need to know about catalog and streaming media. 35 00:05:23.968 --> 00:05:29.399 Since you've already either attended or have the option to listen later to. 36 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:35.038 The excellent workshops by J, whites and others and cataloging audio and video recordings. 37 00:05:35.038 --> 00:05:38.668 So, in my limited time today I'm going to cover things. 38 00:05:38.668 --> 00:05:47.309 That are unique to streaming media or where I think there's something special that you should think about while cataloguing streaming media. 39 00:05:47.309 --> 00:05:55.348 And then I'm also going to talk a little bit about blogs and podcasts, and I'll end with a section on tangible digital resources. 40 00:05:55.348 --> 00:05:59.819 Such as C. D ROMs USP flash drives and play always. 41 00:05:59.819 --> 00:06:09.928 Before I start, I would be remiss to not mention olack, streaming media, best practices. 42 00:06:09.928 --> 00:06:14.848 Which are an excellent and thorough resource and provides many examples. 43 00:06:14.848 --> 00:06:23.968 And the streaming media best practices will go through cataloging streaming media in a much more comprehensive and systematic way. 44 00:06:23.968 --> 00:06:27.358 That what I'm going to do today, where I'm just going to. 45 00:06:27.358 --> 00:06:30.928 Um, as I said, focus on some of those. 46 00:06:30.928 --> 00:06:36.329 Maybe a trickier or more interesting points and on the points that have more to do. 47 00:06:36.329 --> 00:06:41.968 With the streaming side of things, then the media side of things, maybe. 48 00:06:43.528 --> 00:06:52.139 So, to start with the very basics, what is streaming media? So, streaming media is audio or video. 49 00:06:52.139 --> 00:07:04.798 That is accessible via the Internet, and it can be contrasted with downloadable files, which is the primary alternative for obtaining media content via the Internet. 50 00:07:04.798 --> 00:07:09.298 And you can consume streaming media in real time. 51 00:07:09.298 --> 00:07:13.408 Because a little bit of content is downloaded into a local buffer. 52 00:07:13.408 --> 00:07:18.598 And you can start watching streaming media without having to wait for the entire file to download. 53 00:07:18.598 --> 00:07:22.798 And after you've watched that bit, it's erased from your local device. 54 00:07:22.798 --> 00:07:29.069 And most of the video and audio content that you deal with is a catalog will be screaming. 55 00:07:29.069 --> 00:07:35.038 So, streaming, it makes it better experience for the user, because they don't have to wait for all the content to download. 56 00:07:35.038 --> 00:07:42.269 Before they can start watching or listening, and they also don't have to have massive, massive storage and their local device. 57 00:07:42.269 --> 00:07:53.399 To save the entire file rights holders also like this model, because they don't want you to end up with the entire file downloaded on your device that said from a catalog perspective. 58 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.238 Describing streaming and non streaming media. That's downloadable. 59 00:07:57.238 --> 00:08:00.298 It's not significantly different. 60 00:08:00.298 --> 00:08:04.468 Different, especially if you're following the provider neutral model. 61 00:08:04.468 --> 00:08:12.298 So, the other background topic that I'd like to cover is provide a neutral records. 62 00:08:12.298 --> 00:08:15.778 Provider neutral records are an important concept. 63 00:08:15.778 --> 00:08:22.858 If you're cataloging in a shared database, like, work at the program for cooperative cataloging. 64 00:08:22.858 --> 00:08:27.749 Provide a neutral record guidelines are available website. 65 00:08:27.749 --> 00:08:31.288 And the basic concept of the provider neutral record. 66 00:08:31.288 --> 00:08:35.969 Is that there should be just 1 vehicle that graphic record for. 67 00:08:35.969 --> 00:08:41.278 If they say equivalent manifestations, regardless of platform or provider. 68 00:08:45.208 --> 00:08:53.308 So the provider neutral standard is meant for shared cataloging and you can do whatever you like in your local catalog. 69 00:08:53.308 --> 00:08:58.918 Some Atlas has have limitations that make provide a neutral records difficult to manage. 70 00:08:58.918 --> 00:09:04.828 And if you load vendor records, you may have noticed that they generally are not provider neutral. 71 00:09:04.828 --> 00:09:11.999 At least not for streaming videos, the provider neutral guidelines address our real problem. 72 00:09:11.999 --> 00:09:16.739 The problem with duplicates or near duplicates for online resources. 73 00:09:16.739 --> 00:09:21.028 At provider, mutual records to attempt to provide a better experience. 74 00:09:21.028 --> 00:09:28.859 For both catalogs and end users by saving them the time of waiting to many essentially similar records. 75 00:09:28.859 --> 00:09:32.818 If you paint cataloguing for a long time, like me. 76 00:09:32.818 --> 00:09:38.099 You may remember the time when every vendor's E book version of the same book got its own record. 77 00:09:38.099 --> 00:09:44.038 And if you think there are a lot of duplicates in wildcat now, they haven't seen anything. 78 00:09:44.038 --> 00:09:48.389 However, well intentioned it is though. 79 00:09:48.389 --> 00:09:58.229 Provider mutual record model really is just a clutch that tries to work within the limitations of our current flat Mark environment. 80 00:09:58.229 --> 00:10:02.278 And it does have some significant drawbacks. 81 00:10:02.278 --> 00:10:07.318 So the provider neutral record, best work pretty well for E, books. 82 00:10:07.318 --> 00:10:10.889 At least in my experience, and there are a few reasons for this. 83 00:10:10.889 --> 00:10:16.649 1, is that with ebooks most of the time you have the contextual information that you need. 84 00:10:16.649 --> 00:10:20.999 In order to identify a 1 to 1 match between manifestations. 85 00:10:20.999 --> 00:10:27.749 So most of the E, books that libraries acquire are PDFs or other facsimile, like, productions. 86 00:10:27.749 --> 00:10:34.859 And these include what an interesting blog post refers to his parrot textual information. 87 00:10:34.859 --> 00:10:37.979 Such as the cover title page. 88 00:10:37.979 --> 00:10:44.729 Publication information, and for eBooks, usually both the full text of the actual content. 89 00:10:44.729 --> 00:10:47.849 And the para, textual content is reproduced. 90 00:10:47.849 --> 00:10:51.719 Eva also have the advantage of having a widely used. 91 00:10:51.719 --> 00:10:56.009 Standardized identifier from manifestations. 92 00:10:56.009 --> 00:11:00.269 Which often appears on records for both the print and book versions. 93 00:11:00.269 --> 00:11:04.948 So the provider neutral record. 94 00:11:04.948 --> 00:11:10.109 My experience also mostly works for a commercial streaming audio. 95 00:11:10.109 --> 00:11:14.879 You don't get all the pair of textual information from the tangible manifestation. 96 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:19.469 But you usually get a lot of it in these examples. 97 00:11:19.469 --> 00:11:23.278 The vendor has provided an image of the front of the album cover. 98 00:11:23.278 --> 00:11:33.119 And links to the aligner notes, they also provide the label name and the original release date. They may also provide a publisher number of some sort. 99 00:11:33.119 --> 00:11:36.989 So, there's often enough information to link the streaming album. 100 00:11:36.989 --> 00:11:44.369 To a specific tangible manifestation, or to determine whether 2 different links are describing the same outcome. 101 00:11:44.369 --> 00:11:49.408 So, video distribution works differently. 102 00:11:49.408 --> 00:11:54.989 Add streaming video platforms tend not to provide this kind of per textual information. 103 00:11:54.989 --> 00:12:01.168 You know, even if the streaming video is derived from a specific tangible manifestation. 104 00:12:01.168 --> 00:12:08.009 You don't usually have the information to make that connection. 105 00:12:08.009 --> 00:12:14.698 Because most of the information from the tangible carrier, or it's packaging is not reproduced. 106 00:12:14.698 --> 00:12:24.269 And as you can see from these examples, different platforms, provide wildly different metadata on their video landing pages. 107 00:12:24.269 --> 00:12:32.129 Once you get beyond the basics, the date that is provided is often the date of the original film. 108 00:12:32.129 --> 00:12:40.288 And only the Alexander street press example, and I put right as anything that looks like it might be a citation for a physical format. 109 00:12:40.288 --> 00:12:50.009 Not only from time demand in the lower right. Has any sort of identifier, but this item number appears on both the manifestations. 110 00:12:50.009 --> 00:12:54.418 So, it does not serve to identify a specific manifestation. 111 00:12:54.418 --> 00:13:01.288 This problem with an item number linking to more than 1 manifestation. Sometimes also occurs with audio recordings. 112 00:13:01.288 --> 00:13:09.808 So just a little more background information on provider, mutual records before we. 113 00:13:09.808 --> 00:13:13.708 Get into the cataloguing a little more. 114 00:13:13.708 --> 00:13:16.918 How do you recognize a provider neutral record? 115 00:13:16.918 --> 00:13:22.288 So, in theory they should be coded with a p and E. 116 00:13:22.288 --> 00:13:29.759 But it is not uncommon for vendors to add this code, even the record when the record's not actually provide our mutual. 117 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:36.269 Provider neutral records should also have some sort of 588 description based on node. 118 00:13:36.269 --> 00:13:41.519 And they may have multiple 56 fields with, from different providers. 119 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.928 The provider neutral guidelines also lists. 120 00:13:49.139 --> 00:13:55.408 A whole bunch of different kinds of information that should not be included and provider neutral records. 121 00:13:55.408 --> 00:13:58.979 Very little provider specific information. 122 00:13:58.979 --> 00:14:04.438 Is included in the body of a provider neutral record. 123 00:14:04.438 --> 00:14:10.259 There are a few things that can't be included though. 1 is provider specific identifiers. 124 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:13.408 Another exception is for title variance. 125 00:14:13.408 --> 00:14:21.418 On different providers websites, if a provider uses a different title on their website, it is helpful to have a 246. 126 00:14:21.418 --> 00:14:29.099 With the introductory note available from some vendors with titles such and such if you're basing or description. 127 00:14:29.099 --> 00:14:32.489 On a version access for particular vendors. 128 00:14:32.489 --> 00:14:36.028 Website that should be mentioned in the 5 and 8 field. 129 00:14:36.028 --> 00:14:42.298 Provider names also appear in a 56 3. 130 00:14:43.889 --> 00:14:50.668 And now for the much longer list of places, where you should not put provider specific information. 131 00:14:50.668 --> 00:14:59.129 This includes many of the fields for libraries may locally choose to add information about specific providers. 132 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:04.168 If you want to provide access in the body of the record information. 133 00:15:04.168 --> 00:15:08.068 About individual databases, packages, or aggregators. 134 00:15:08.068 --> 00:15:14.068 You should do it only in your local record and not in a shared geographic utility. 135 00:15:23.938 --> 00:15:28.139 And there are many other kinds of information that you may wish to include. 136 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:36.869 And a local record, which are forbidden and provider neutral records, these include things like access restrictions and system requirements. 137 00:15:36.869 --> 00:15:41.519 We also should not use the 533 field to describe a reproduction. 138 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:47.219 All right, so moving on from provider neutral records. 139 00:15:47.219 --> 00:16:01.259 Let's talk about content type. There are 6 content types and that may be applicable of streaming medium. You're most likely to encounter these 1st, 3 performed music, spoken word and 2 dimensional moving image. 140 00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:08.249 But you should be aware of the other choices, and 1 special case that you should be aware of. 141 00:16:08.249 --> 00:16:14.458 Is that the all extra mean? Media best practices recommend that for streaming videos containing. 142 00:16:14.458 --> 00:16:21.058 Performance isn't musical works you should provide an additional content types for performed music. 143 00:16:21.293 --> 00:16:36.264 If you think the streaming video is likely to be sought as a musical work so this would be things like Opera performances or concert films. I tend to do this when it's a video that you can imagine someone just listening to the music with their eyes closed. 144 00:16:37.078 --> 00:16:41.308 And they also suggest that you could potentially add an additional content. 145 00:16:41.308 --> 00:16:44.729 Type of spoken word in some situations. 146 00:16:44.729 --> 00:16:50.759 But it's less obvious to me when this would actually be useful. 147 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:56.759 Related to content type. 148 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.928 When choosing a type of Mark record for online resources. 149 00:17:00.928 --> 00:17:04.409 You should base your decision on the content of the resource. 150 00:17:04.409 --> 00:17:12.898 At the fact that it is online, so for streaming media don't want to use g for streaming video. 151 00:17:12.898 --> 00:17:19.348 And I or j1st streaming audio. 152 00:17:20.878 --> 00:17:25.588 And you should always code the form fixed field as oh. For online. 153 00:17:25.588 --> 00:17:30.689 And code the type of visual material, fixed field, our team at. 154 00:17:30.689 --> 00:17:37.469 As B, for video, I have occasionally seen this coded as am promotion picture for streaming video. 155 00:17:37.469 --> 00:17:42.538 That was originally released and film, but I think this is incorrect in this field. 156 00:17:42.538 --> 00:17:45.538 She'd be coded for the resource that you're describing. 157 00:17:45.538 --> 00:17:49.528 Just, as you wouldn't code it, digitize my perform as micro form. 158 00:17:50.878 --> 00:17:59.038 The most common mistake I've seen when choosing a record type for streaming media occurs with databases and websites. 159 00:17:59.038 --> 00:18:02.038 Which are also continuing resources. 160 00:18:02.038 --> 00:18:06.868 Sometimes people choose a continuing resources work for them with type a of text. 161 00:18:06.868 --> 00:18:10.919 However, if the database consists of streaming medium. 162 00:18:10.919 --> 00:18:14.219 You should choose the appropriate record type for the content. 163 00:18:14.219 --> 00:18:17.848 And then code the graphic level in the overweight. 164 00:18:17.848 --> 00:18:22.138 Fixed beyond for the continuing resource aspect. 165 00:18:22.138 --> 00:18:26.788 For databases and websites generally I for integrating resource. 166 00:18:26.788 --> 00:18:33.148 And then add as 0, 0, 6 field to bring out the continuing resource aspects. 167 00:18:33.148 --> 00:18:40.108 You may also occasionally see some very old streaming media records coded as to. 168 00:18:40.108 --> 00:18:43.919 Computer file or form. 169 00:18:43.919 --> 00:18:47.519 But that is obsolete practice. 170 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:57.298 Since you've coded the main record type for the content type, you'll also want to add. 171 00:18:57.298 --> 00:19:03.118 There was 0, 6 people to bring out the electronic or digital aspect of the resource. 172 00:19:03.118 --> 00:19:08.788 There aren't very many fields to code and the computer file. 6. 173 00:19:08.788 --> 00:19:13.019 Other than type form. Oh. 174 00:19:13.019 --> 00:19:16.528 And file type. 175 00:19:16.528 --> 00:19:22.169 At least for most resources for streaming video, the file type should be for representational. 176 00:19:22.169 --> 00:19:26.519 And for streaming audio H, for sounds. 177 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:33.358 Media and carrier type are straightforward, use computer and online. We. 178 00:19:33.358 --> 00:19:40.828 So you want to remember that media carrier about the carrier in the remediation devices not about the content. 179 00:19:40.828 --> 00:19:46.558 For example, these are 3 media types that could potentially apply to moving images. 180 00:19:46.558 --> 00:19:56.068 Projected is, for things are actually on a film real video is for things that are designed for useful to play that playback device. It's like a D. V. D. player. 181 00:19:56.068 --> 00:20:00.568 Computer is for electronic files designed for use with the computer. 182 00:20:00.568 --> 00:20:04.919 And it's the only place where remote access is mentioned. 183 00:20:04.919 --> 00:20:15.719 So, you sometimes see people use audio or video in addition to computer as immediate type for streaming media media. But this is not what the, all our best practices recommend. 184 00:20:15.719 --> 00:20:19.348 And I do not think it is applicable since there isn't. 185 00:20:19.348 --> 00:20:25.348 A dedicated ID or video playback device involved. 186 00:20:25.348 --> 00:20:32.578 rba list number of digital characteristics at 3.19. 187 00:20:32.578 --> 00:20:43.979 The 1st, 1 is digital file type. This doesn't really add much new information to your record. But the ones that are applicable for streaming media are video file and audio file. 188 00:20:43.979 --> 00:20:49.648 And this particular already, a vocabulary has its own. 189 00:20:49.648 --> 00:20:53.999 Code to go in the marks some field to. 190 00:20:56.939 --> 00:21:03.328 Then next digital characteristic that I'm going to talk about is encoding format. 191 00:21:03.328 --> 00:21:11.368 Which is a schema standard, et cetera, used to encode the digital content of the manifestation. And when was 1st released. 192 00:21:11.368 --> 00:21:14.699 It provided a controlled vocabulary for this element. 193 00:21:14.699 --> 00:21:17.729 Which included terms, like, the ones listed here. 194 00:21:17.729 --> 00:21:20.939 However, the rba steering committee, or. 195 00:21:20.939 --> 00:21:25.378 Decided that it was unrealistic to maintain a list of encoding formats. 196 00:21:25.378 --> 00:21:28.979 And there currently is no already vocabulary for this element. 197 00:21:28.979 --> 00:21:34.949 And this is also an example of an element that is not used with provider neutral records. 198 00:21:34.949 --> 00:21:43.409 So an MP 3 audio file, and a way of audio file of equivalent manifestation should be cataloged on the same provider neutral record. 199 00:21:43.409 --> 00:21:47.848 Just like a PDF or an HTML version of an E book. 200 00:21:47.848 --> 00:21:58.858 File size and encoded bit right? Our 2 more digital characteristics that are not used with provider neutral records. 201 00:21:58.858 --> 00:22:06.989 And equipment, or system requirement is again, another note that you could use. 202 00:22:06.989 --> 00:22:13.108 And you may see this, especially in vendor records, but it's not used with provider neutral records. 203 00:22:14.159 --> 00:22:17.669 A sound characteristics. 204 00:22:17.669 --> 00:22:23.909 If the streaming media has sound, you can put digital under type of recording. 205 00:22:23.909 --> 00:22:29.098 Um, there was some recent discussion about this. 206 00:22:29.098 --> 00:22:34.828 And 1 of and the configuration of playback channels. 207 00:22:34.828 --> 00:22:40.138 So, olack, I can't think of what they're called, that unified best practices task force. 208 00:22:40.138 --> 00:22:45.479 Is planning to clarify that they don't think the configuration of playback channels. 209 00:22:45.479 --> 00:22:51.388 Belongs in a provider mutual record, but that is another option. 210 00:22:51.388 --> 00:22:55.138 If you're not doing provider, mutual cataloging. 211 00:22:55.138 --> 00:23:03.388 So, is video characteristics don't apply to streaming video video format is only for analog carriers. 212 00:23:03.388 --> 00:23:11.608 And broadcast standard is really mostly only relevant when something's being displayed on or broadcast to a television. 213 00:23:11.608 --> 00:23:20.729 In some way that potentially involves an analog signal, and it doesn't apply to video displayed on a computer monitor or other device. 214 00:23:20.729 --> 00:23:26.128 Which it can sort of compensate for the difference in frame rate between different. 215 00:23:26.128 --> 00:23:29.489 Broadcast standards. 216 00:23:33.419 --> 00:23:42.358 For extent, rba tells you to use the phrase 1 online, we source the examples and the provider neutral guideline and guidelines. 217 00:23:42.358 --> 00:23:54.808 If the file type in parentheses after that, I'm not really sure saying 2 video files is provider neutral. So different providers could split the files differently but that is 1 of their examples. 218 00:23:54.808 --> 00:24:02.398 You should also get the duration if known and if we had to accept, you can give information about things like column and sound. 219 00:24:02.398 --> 00:24:05.939 Just as you would for a tangible manifestation. 220 00:24:05.939 --> 00:24:11.038 Some of that information can also go in the market. We 40 field. 221 00:24:11.038 --> 00:24:16.769 There is a policy statement for this, which gives odd examples like video disk and parentheses. 222 00:24:16.769 --> 00:24:22.318 But I'm not sure when would ever actually do this. 223 00:24:22.318 --> 00:24:28.528 You won't want to make a couple of 0 0, 7 fields when cataloging streaming media. 224 00:24:28.528 --> 00:24:34.229 For a provider neutral record, only the 1st, 2 positions computer file. 225 00:24:34.229 --> 00:24:40.979 And remote access are required, you should also make formats specific 0, 0, 7 fields. 226 00:24:40.979 --> 00:24:44.729 Or sample recordings your video recordings as applicable. 227 00:24:44.729 --> 00:24:48.088 And most of the values for these are boilerplate. 228 00:24:48.088 --> 00:24:51.179 Are not coded for provider neutral records. 229 00:24:51.179 --> 00:24:59.608 But there are a few like color versus black and white that you should pay attention to. And I've sort of highlighted and color the ones. 230 00:24:59.608 --> 00:25:07.409 That are either not used or that you should pay attention to and I'm not going to talk about aspect ratio. 231 00:25:07.409 --> 00:25:13.769 Except to point out, that there was a discussion on the OLAP list a while ago about how to describe vertical videos. 232 00:25:13.769 --> 00:25:19.949 Nothing was really resolved and these are currently not distinguished from full screen videos in rba. 233 00:25:19.949 --> 00:25:23.969 But perhaps there should be a new term added to the vocabulary. 234 00:25:23.969 --> 00:25:29.009 And it's a side note, I'll mention there are 2 new fields related to aspect ratio. 235 00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:36.239 Coming to the mark, 3, 4 x fields, or you can put the rba elements aspect ratio value. 236 00:25:36.239 --> 00:25:39.479 And aspect ratio designator. 237 00:25:49.949 --> 00:26:01.499 So, moving on to talk more about how the manifestation describes itself, rather than the carrier, there are a couple of points to keep in mind about titles and preferred sources. 238 00:26:01.499 --> 00:26:10.108 1st of all, you should always give a source of title. No and I provide a neutral record. This will be combined with the 580 description based on note. 239 00:26:10.108 --> 00:26:14.038 It's also useful to keep in mind that the best practices. 240 00:26:14.038 --> 00:26:20.729 Recommend that you could should consider the landing page that links to the streaming media. They be part of the resource itself. 241 00:26:20.729 --> 00:26:27.179 Or streaming video, the special wall for moving images as to prefer the title frames. 242 00:26:27.179 --> 00:26:33.689 The good news is that since we're all probably catalog United computers that are connected to the Internet. 243 00:26:33.689 --> 00:26:37.199 You don't have to have any extra equipment to do the title frames. 244 00:26:37.199 --> 00:26:43.828 The bad news is that some thumbs bury the title many minutes in, and it can be time consuming to find. 245 00:26:43.828 --> 00:26:49.648 And unfortunately, in my experience, it's much harder to effectively fast forward screaming video. 246 00:26:49.648 --> 00:26:52.888 And it is with a tangible. 247 00:26:52.888 --> 00:27:00.808 There are some alternative sources if the resources that have a title frame, the most practical, which. 248 00:27:00.808 --> 00:27:10.648 It's probably the associated web page streaming audio falls under the general rule at 2.2.2.4. 249 00:27:10.648 --> 00:27:14.608 Which instructions says to prefer textual content. 250 00:27:14.608 --> 00:27:18.449 Such as the title on the web page that links to the streaming audio. 251 00:27:18.449 --> 00:27:25.769 So, this is just an excerpt from the best practices, which stated what I was. 252 00:27:25.769 --> 00:27:30.868 Mentioning about the link. 253 00:27:30.868 --> 00:27:40.259 Website being part of the resource, sort of like the packaging on a tangible video. 254 00:27:44.578 --> 00:27:55.048 So, it tells you to always make a note about the resource when cataloging and online resource, and in the provider neutral model. This is combined. 255 00:27:55.048 --> 00:27:59.189 With the note on the source of title proper. 256 00:27:59.189 --> 00:28:07.979 And there is a 1st indicator of value of 0T that you can use it also point out that. 257 00:28:07.979 --> 00:28:11.969 Were used in the 588 for description based on. 258 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:18.929 If you're based senior provider, neutral prescription on a tangible version of the resource. 259 00:28:18.929 --> 00:28:27.868 Rather than I'd be willing to resource on a particular providers website, you should state this inside the instead of using notes. 260 00:28:27.868 --> 00:28:34.019 About the source of title proper and data viewing since your information isn't actually coming from the resource. 261 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:37.679 That the online record is describing. 262 00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:49.138 Yeah, that that 2nd example there with uses the 1st indicator. 263 00:28:49.138 --> 00:28:55.078 0T to indicate that that note is for description based on without spelling it out. 264 00:28:59.669 --> 00:29:04.679 And if you're based in or description at a tangible version of the resource. 265 00:29:04.679 --> 00:29:09.838 You should make a 7, 7, 6, the off site site in the tangible version. 266 00:29:09.838 --> 00:29:12.898 This is common for certain types of streaming audio. 267 00:29:12.898 --> 00:29:17.999 But rare for streaming video, because of the difficulty in matching manifestations. 268 00:29:17.999 --> 00:29:24.929 Streaming video providers, as I mentioned, rarely given up the information to unambiguously match tangible manifestation. 269 00:29:24.929 --> 00:29:32.038 Particularly in terms of dates, they also do not necessarily we produce all the content on the tangible version. 270 00:29:32.038 --> 00:29:43.769 Such a special features, or do they necessarily offer the same language inaccessibility options? And if you're using connection the macro to generate an E, version of a record. 271 00:29:43.769 --> 00:29:49.169 For a tangible resource will also create the 7, 7 6 for you. 272 00:29:50.818 --> 00:29:57.179 And as I mentioned previously, 1 of the few places. 273 00:29:57.179 --> 00:30:01.348 That you can put provider specific information or provide a neutral record. 274 00:30:01.348 --> 00:30:04.588 Isn't a 246 to account for variance. 275 00:30:04.588 --> 00:30:07.798 It may be on a particular providers web page. 276 00:30:07.798 --> 00:30:13.858 And as with all media cataloging, I would encourage you to be generous with title variance. 277 00:30:17.669 --> 00:30:26.308 So, while on the top of what is that you're describing, I'd like to talk to her to mention platelets. 278 00:30:26.308 --> 00:30:31.709 And these can be described using either. What calls a comprehensive description. 279 00:30:31.709 --> 00:30:40.858 Or what it calls an analytic description, or both. So on the left is a comprehensive description for the whole playlist and titles. 280 00:30:40.858 --> 00:30:44.729 Pioneers of African Americans, cinema short films. 281 00:30:44.729 --> 00:30:50.878 1915 to 19, 2001, the title of the list is the title proper. 282 00:30:50.878 --> 00:30:57.028 And the title of the individual films are, equips are given in a 5 or 5 contents. 283 00:30:57.028 --> 00:31:03.628 You are all points to the playlist as a whole right? If there isn't 1 for the whole play list to the 1st phone clip. 284 00:31:03.628 --> 00:31:08.308 On the right is an analytic description from 1 of the songs on the playlist. 285 00:31:08.308 --> 00:31:12.269 In this case, the title of the individual is the title proper. 286 00:31:12.269 --> 00:31:15.269 And the points to the individual thumb. 287 00:31:15.269 --> 00:31:21.358 I haven't included the title of the play list since it wouldn't be included in a provider neutral record. 288 00:31:24.538 --> 00:31:28.048 So this is a situation I come across occasionally. 289 00:31:28.048 --> 00:31:31.048 Where there are playlists where the title of the play list. 290 00:31:31.048 --> 00:31:39.088 And the title at the individual films are the same as, in this example, where the playlist includes 2 versions of the same film. 291 00:31:39.088 --> 00:31:44.338 1, with the original Japanese sound track and 1 with adept English soundtrack. 292 00:31:44.338 --> 00:31:51.118 Since the playlist also has the same title. The best thing to do is to be sure to include our supply where necessary. 293 00:31:51.118 --> 00:32:03.749 Some kind of addition statement in 250, this will help prevent unwanted merging and shared databases by. And since addition statements display on results list in many public catalogue. 294 00:32:03.749 --> 00:32:11.818 They may also help users, distinguish the records without having to click into the full records and examine them. 295 00:32:11.818 --> 00:32:18.989 At the olack best practices among many other helpful things. 296 00:32:18.989 --> 00:32:23.189 Includes this flowchart for deciding where to take the title from. 297 00:32:23.189 --> 00:32:28.439 And I reproduced here the part that is most relevant for streaming video. 298 00:32:31.439 --> 00:32:39.868 And here's the part that's most relevant for streaming audio. 299 00:32:39.868 --> 00:32:50.038 And the provider neutral guidelines specified that if you're cataloging it on production. 300 00:32:50.038 --> 00:32:59.969 Of a tangible manifestation the publication related information should be based on the original manifestation and it's built graphic record. 301 00:32:59.969 --> 00:33:09.808 And the provider. 302 00:33:09.808 --> 00:33:18.868 I mean, when talking about publication and distribution information, I'm going to focus on streaming video, because that's where it gets really storming. 303 00:33:18.868 --> 00:33:23.398 There are several reasons why publication statements for videos are hard. 304 00:33:23.398 --> 00:33:28.348 And a big 1 is that it's unclear what it means to be a publisher in the film and video industry. 305 00:33:28.348 --> 00:33:37.558 Where there is no entity called publisher so if you look at the Internet Movie database, they only talk about production companies and distributors. 306 00:33:37.558 --> 00:33:42.838 And Wikipedia has a category for publishing companies by medium. 307 00:33:42.838 --> 00:33:50.068 But this doesn't include video either, even though they have things like board games and C. D ROMs and so forth. 308 00:33:50.068 --> 00:33:55.858 Add an embargo moving image. Cataloging rules don't discuss. 309 00:33:55.858 --> 00:34:05.669 Discuss publishers either they're equivalent to the to publication areas, called distribution, release and broadcast. 310 00:34:05.669 --> 00:34:12.358 So, there are a lot of different types of corporate bodies that might be associated with the video. 311 00:34:12.358 --> 00:34:19.619 And they can perform potentially a variety of functions, including the helpfully bake. So, and so presents. 312 00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:31.409 How do we know which corporate body to consider the publisher and the, the definition of publishing. 313 00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:37.708 Does include releasing or issuing it for broad the definitions. 314 00:34:37.708 --> 00:34:41.518 Of distributor as 1 of those kind of circular. 315 00:34:41.518 --> 00:34:48.628 Definitions that uses self to define itself. The distributor distributes. 316 00:34:48.628 --> 00:35:01.259 So, the traditional functions of a publisher in, for other formats are divided up between different types of entities for videos. 317 00:35:01.259 --> 00:35:06.208 And so the production company, for example, acquires or develops content. 318 00:35:06.208 --> 00:35:10.978 Oversees the production process and has the final editorial veto. 319 00:35:10.978 --> 00:35:14.369 And the production company may provide financing. 320 00:35:14.369 --> 00:35:18.778 Or this may be done by a separate company. 321 00:35:18.778 --> 00:35:23.579 And that we're streaming video in most cases, there is then another entity. 322 00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:28.079 The video on demand distributor, which functions as a middle. 323 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.668 Man between the rights holder and the various streaming platforms. 324 00:35:32.668 --> 00:35:37.228 And so video rights are often carved up. 325 00:35:37.228 --> 00:35:42.509 And exclusive to a certain region or format, and they're often time limited. 326 00:35:42.509 --> 00:35:47.009 So, you might get the streaming rights from North America or the. 327 00:35:47.009 --> 00:35:53.369 Db rights for Canada or something like that. 328 00:35:54.509 --> 00:36:04.798 And then finally you have the platforms or the streaming video services, like Netflix or canopy, which provides centralized, access, streaming video for many sources. 329 00:36:04.798 --> 00:36:14.849 So, for the provider neutral record model to work, you have to be able to identify these equivalent manifestations. 330 00:36:14.849 --> 00:36:20.398 So, for streaming video, you 1st want to make sure that you have the same expression. 331 00:36:20.398 --> 00:36:24.719 So, for example, you would want to check that 2 videos, have the same duration. 332 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:31.438 Language and accessibility options to identify 2 equivalent manifestations. 333 00:36:31.438 --> 00:36:35.009 Would presumably want to compare the publication information. 334 00:36:35.009 --> 00:36:40.199 But 1st, we have to decide what is the publication information that we want to compare. 335 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.248 And then, ideally, we have to record it in the record record. 336 00:36:44.248 --> 00:36:56.278 In some way, so that any catalog are describing it. An equivalent manifestation would come up with the same publication statement. This is mostly straightforward with the books, but not so obvious for video. 337 00:37:05.789 --> 00:37:08.969 So. 338 00:37:08.969 --> 00:37:15.028 And I forget David or Nathan, or who is running the polls. But at this point. 339 00:37:16.974 --> 00:37:30.384 It's me yeah, it's okay. No worries. I have the 1st pull ready to go. Do you want me to initiate it? Yeah, this is this. Hopefully it should go with this question. 340 00:37:33.353 --> 00:37:35.483 So, let everyone see the pull. 341 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:49.829 Can I get a confirmation if folks can see. 342 00:37:49.829 --> 00:37:54.778 Yeah, they're showing up Haley. All right perfect. Perfect, thank you. 343 00:38:01.643 --> 00:38:15.954 I think it's ended though we'll have a chance to answer that. Well, we can do is we can extend the time of the next call. I have it loaded for 15 seconds. I could do a minute. 344 00:38:16.164 --> 00:38:27.864 That's what you prefer or 30 seconds. Whatever you want. We can modify it, but I'm going to show the poll results for the folks that did that. Didn't submit an answer. 345 00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:36.719 All right, well, and I have to say that, yeah, maybe we should do 30 seconds just to get people. 346 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:46.469 I just think sure sure. But then, I guess I could have read that question before we show the poll too. That might have. 347 00:38:46.469 --> 00:38:49.829 But we did get some answers, it looks like. 348 00:38:49.829 --> 00:38:56.010 And I think, you know, I don't have a firm answer to this either. 349 00:38:56.010 --> 00:38:59.159 I think we can pretty much rule out the. 350 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.300 Financing company and I think the right folder. 351 00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:11.849 Doesn't really make a lot of sense as the publisher and either of those are necessarily very easy to identify. So. 352 00:39:11.849 --> 00:39:18.179 In theory, you shouldn't use the video on demand service provider, a neutral cataloging. 353 00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:24.329 However, not all platforms provide the name of the intermediary distributor. 354 00:39:24.329 --> 00:39:31.500 And then the name of the production company may not sufficiently distinguishes specific manifestation. 355 00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:37.050 For example, a video might have been edited differently for different geographical markets. 356 00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:40.860 And what I want to do. 357 00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:46.469 Maybe is go back. 358 00:39:49.405 --> 00:40:02.784 Another are you trying to your site wide? Like, do you have okay here? I see where it is. Okay. 359 00:40:02.784 --> 00:40:08.844 I got the you're going to share your screen. Oh, okay. You see this other slide. 360 00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:15.030 So this was an example here, if you look at this 8th grade is available from 3 different. 361 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:24.420 Platforms and the top left, do you have canopy and they give their their supplier, which is like the distributor a 24. 362 00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:28.500 And then the bottom 1 is from slank and it's. 363 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:34.949 I think from the provider neutral standard, it's an equivalent, you know, these are both English. 364 00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:42.960 With English captioning and no other language options and I think they're the same duration. 365 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:47.880 At the Web site doesn't give you any indication of who the distributor is. 366 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.840 And then this 1, kind of in the middle Orbitz in white. 367 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:57.269 Is from criterion pictures, which is a Canadian platform. 368 00:40:57.269 --> 00:41:04.230 And so they have the same film, although they say it's 94 minutes instead of maybe 3 minutes. 369 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:10.829 And they have a different distributor and so the information that you get kind of berries. 370 00:41:10.829 --> 00:41:16.260 And it just can be really difficult to tell whether. 371 00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:22.440 You are dealing with an equivalent manifestation or not especially when. 372 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.469 Can't actually see the other manifestations. 373 00:41:25.469 --> 00:41:30.719 From the publishers or platforms that your libraries not subscribed to. 374 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.170 Let me see if I can find my. 375 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:37.829 Where I was before. Okay. 376 00:41:37.829 --> 00:41:41.579 Um. 377 00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:48.239 Okay. 378 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:54.119 So, I'm sorry that I don't have Super. 379 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.269 Right from answers for everything. 380 00:42:02.010 --> 00:42:05.760 And let's see, I think I'm going to. 381 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:12.059 These 2 there is some information in the best practice. 382 00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:16.889 Guidelines on online, we productions and on. 383 00:42:16.889 --> 00:42:21.449 We're in digital for what to do with publication information. 384 00:42:21.449 --> 00:42:29.940 But it's still, you know, I find it really difficult to deal with what I'm actually dealing with real situations. 385 00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:33.510 So, my best recommendations. 386 00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:48.000 Or my best thoughts in this area are it's important to identify that the expression that your cataloguing matches, we definitely should not have different expressions on the same provider neutral record. 387 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.400 In our particular look at the duration, the language options, the accessibility options. 388 00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:03.000 And the X rays, sometimes see, people have derived streaming records from DVD records, and they've left in the and. 389 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.599 Things which are not actually in the streaming version. 390 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:15.030 But that you probably, if you're matching match really loosely on publisher, a date of publication. 391 00:43:23.335 --> 00:43:23.875 Okay, 392 00:43:23.875 --> 00:43:26.815 and I expect this 1 in here locally, 393 00:43:26.815 --> 00:43:28.255 we produced videos, 394 00:43:28.585 --> 00:43:38.994 so this is where you might have gotten permission from the right folder to rip a DVD and stream it locally. 395 00:43:39.804 --> 00:43:51.264 And I get asked about this not infrequently. So, here, I would recommend looking at the section on local recordings and chapter 3 of us CLC formats. 396 00:43:51.599 --> 00:44:02.639 And this is 1 of those rare cases with streaming video, where you actually can pretty clearly identity, you can't clearly identify a specific manifestation. 397 00:44:04.590 --> 00:44:11.400 Um, like, I'm missing some slides in here. 398 00:44:12.989 --> 00:44:16.710 Oh, okay. This is the 1. I skipped. 399 00:44:16.710 --> 00:44:23.369 When I was talking about publication, I did have another poll question here, Haley, which is. 400 00:44:23.369 --> 00:44:31.590 Had to do with what do you think should be the data publication and our provider neutral world for a streaming video. 401 00:44:33.085 --> 00:44:45.835 Now, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I got a little out of order there. No worries. You're good. Toll is been an issue opened it for 30 seconds. 402 00:44:55.409 --> 00:44:58.800 Okay. 403 00:45:04.469 --> 00:45:13.860 The full end to very quickly. I wasn't able to to complete it. 404 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:22.889 I'm going to release the results, but how I'm going to open it for. 405 00:45:22.889 --> 00:45:33.775 1 minute, and then I could close it when I see most of the attendees have filled it out. Does that work for everyone? Let's try that on the next 1. thanks, Haley. 406 00:45:34.585 --> 00:45:41.304 Well, actually, I would be kind of interested in people's input on this 1, because I don't actually have any answer for it. So. 407 00:45:41.849 --> 00:45:54.445 Maybe if we could do that 1 again, Haley. So, do you want me to redo this? Pull? Yeah, maybe. Okay me. 3rd. 408 00:46:13.530 --> 00:46:21.239 Okay, I release the pool and it's going to stay open for a minute to give people enough time. 409 00:46:49.704 --> 00:46:53.275 Now, that may be too much time that I guess it's kind of hard to get. 410 00:46:54.114 --> 00:47:06.625 These things, right? No worries. All right. So what do people end up thinking about this question? 411 00:47:24.204 --> 00:47:24.804 Alright. 412 00:47:25.889 --> 00:47:34.679 Get that, and it seems like there's a slight majority for the date. That'd be equivalent tangible manifestation. 413 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:45.480 Which I, you know, I think would be fine if there actually was some way to figure out what the equivalent tangible manifestation really is sort of reliably. 414 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.409 And that the challenge I see with that is that. 415 00:47:49.409 --> 00:47:55.769 You know, when you have the book, you can look at the PDF of the book, and it's got that copyright date or. 416 00:47:55.769 --> 00:48:03.090 Publication date, but you just don't really have that, and you can go around and look for a record, but it kind of depends. 417 00:48:03.090 --> 00:48:07.920 And then, do you go back to the DHS record? You go back. 418 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.530 And it did, they necessarily we produce the. 419 00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:22.739 Or produce the streaming video from the DVD version maybe they both are produced from some original source file. 420 00:48:22.739 --> 00:48:27.719 And the streaming version didn't really go through the DBD version. 421 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:33.510 Anyway, I don't know on my own personal inclination. 422 00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:36.989 Is to think that it might be. 423 00:48:36.989 --> 00:48:42.300 Better to use the date of the original manifestation. 424 00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:47.550 Mostly because it's 1 way to arrive at the same value. 425 00:48:47.550 --> 00:48:51.030 Multiple people would hopefully arrive at the same value. 426 00:48:51.030 --> 00:48:54.599 And it does have the added advantage of aligning better with. 427 00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:00.210 I think what I think most users expectations are, when searching for videos. 428 00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:08.909 You just see these last 2 kinds of dates on a lot of vendor records that they definitely don't support the goals of the. 429 00:49:08.909 --> 00:49:12.150 Provide a neutral standard. 430 00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:20.550 And but some vendors do seem to update their data publication in their mark records when they revise their records. 431 00:49:20.550 --> 00:49:24.150 Okay, and. 432 00:49:24.150 --> 00:49:27.780 That that. 433 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:34.559 Okay, identifiers. 434 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:40.500 So, although most streaming media do not have universal. 435 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:44.429 They often do you have some sort of publisher associated number? 436 00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:55.980 And it's common to see publisher numbers from the tangible version in records for streaming music go to our though, to a not have a Z for invalid identifiers. 437 00:49:55.980 --> 00:50:00.269 Identifiers and other formats, you'd have to use a. 438 00:50:00.269 --> 00:50:09.329 Vendor records, particularly for streaming video often, include identifiers, assigned by the streaming video platform in 2 8. 439 00:50:09.329 --> 00:50:13.320 And this could be useful for matching at the provider neutral. 440 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.840 As the provider neutral model allows these identifiers and records from monographs. 441 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:24.690 And as you can see from the examples, spenders code these in a variety of different ways. 442 00:50:24.690 --> 00:50:30.989 So, last night in this section, I'd like to talk a little bit about accessibility. 443 00:50:30.989 --> 00:50:37.380 Even though it isn't an issue that you need to streaming media, because it's important and some aspects of it. 444 00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:45.989 Are often misunderstood, and the current definition of accessibility content says that it provides alternative sensory modes. 445 00:50:45.989 --> 00:50:49.530 To perceive the primary content of an expression. 446 00:50:49.530 --> 00:50:57.269 So, I think was streaming audio. I'm not aware of any accessibility technologies commonly use that as a transcripts. 447 00:50:57.269 --> 00:51:00.750 But there are a variety that are very important for streaming video. 448 00:51:00.750 --> 00:51:05.340 And the most frequent accessibility feature streaming video is captioning. 449 00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:08.429 Art again includes the statement does not include. 450 00:51:08.429 --> 00:51:12.809 Subtitles in a language different from this book and content. 451 00:51:12.809 --> 00:51:15.840 This is a little bit misleading subtitles. 452 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.760 In a language different from the spoken content can be part of accessibility content. 453 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.469 Even if they cannot constitute accessibility content by themselves. 454 00:51:25.469 --> 00:51:30.269 So, what is it that makes captions or subtitles sufficient for accessibility? 455 00:51:30.269 --> 00:51:38.280 For captions to be effective, they should include the complete spoken content of the video, but that's not necessarily enough. They also need to include. 456 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:43.800 All the information necessary for understanding by someone who cannot hear the sound track. 457 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.760 Captions, therefore may include some nonsmoking information. 458 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.789 Such as indications of sound effects in music. 459 00:51:50.789 --> 00:51:54.119 Speaker identification when it isn't clear who's speaking. 460 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.150 And other contextual information. 461 00:51:57.150 --> 00:52:08.610 For English speakers, the captions are subtitles to be in English, regardless of the spoken language. So what does subtitles commonly lack that captions for accessibility include? 462 00:52:08.610 --> 00:52:12.030 In addition to the contextual information that I just mentioned. 463 00:52:12.030 --> 00:52:20.610 Subtitles for foreign language films often do not include sequences that are spoken the language at the target audience for the subtitles. 464 00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:24.449 So, for example, if there's a scene in the Spanish language film. 465 00:52:24.449 --> 00:52:31.260 Where the actors are speaking English, that's usually not subtitle for an English speaking audience. 466 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:42.150 So, how do you know if something is captioned unfortunately really can't know without watching the whole video. 467 00:52:42.150 --> 00:52:48.989 That forced to have captions and keep an eye out for any contextual information that might be missing. 468 00:52:48.989 --> 00:52:52.320 Many streaming videos have a little CC button. 469 00:52:52.320 --> 00:53:04.019 But this doesn't guarantee actual captions that are satisfaction for accessible, satisfactory for accessibility. Sometimes they could be just subtitles for the foreign language parts. 470 00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:09.510 At some videos, and I have even seen the sent vendor websites, have auto generated captions. 471 00:53:09.510 --> 00:53:13.949 Which can be wildly and accurate, and probably should be marked as captions. 472 00:53:13.949 --> 00:53:26.159 In library records, as a matter of practicality, pretty much have to rely on information supplied by the video provider and unfortunately many of them don't explicitly state. 473 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:31.710 Whether or not a video is captioned and the only indication may be the presence of the CC buttons. 474 00:53:31.710 --> 00:53:36.659 So this means you can't be absolutely sure. For example, that a non English language. 475 00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:42.960 Is actually captioned or if the CC button is just producing, what are essentially optional subtitles. 476 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:53.670 However, in the absence of other information, all you can do is record how the provider presents inaccessibility content for the video. 477 00:53:53.670 --> 00:54:03.179 Another thing to watch out for, is that some vendors will caption videos on demand. So, video that may not have started out with captions. 478 00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:08.639 May have them added later and this is a problematic area for provider mutual records. 479 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:13.380 Because accessibility content is expression, level information and. 480 00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:18.510 Videos with, and without captions cannot be considered civil at manifestations. 481 00:54:18.510 --> 00:54:23.639 I also pick accessibility is the of their provider mutual record. 482 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.960 Note that you should record the language at the captions in the more specific. 483 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.679 For 1, rather than it's J. 484 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:36.360 And add a 655 for video recordings for the hearing impaired. 485 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.679 Another excessive money feature that. 486 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:46.199 Vendors provide our transcripts and in addition to being useful for accessibility. 487 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:55.349 These can be very useful for catalog. Sometimes as, in this example, you can easily verify that the captions include contextual information. 488 00:54:55.349 --> 00:54:59.789 They may also include transcribe the information from the title frames. 489 00:54:59.789 --> 00:55:05.039 Which can make a catalog or life easier. It can be very time consuming to. 490 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.539 Try to fast forward to find information in the title frames. 491 00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:17.969 Streaming video notice also that there was a new in for 1 for recording the language. 492 00:55:17.969 --> 00:55:22.019 The company transcripts for audio, visual materials. 493 00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:28.019 And there are also 2 newish fields 345 or 532. 494 00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:31.650 For recording accessibility information. 495 00:55:35.489 --> 00:55:40.949 Although they do not seem to be widely used yet. 496 00:55:40.949 --> 00:55:44.429 As far as I know there are no best practices for these fields. 497 00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:49.829 At least not yet 341 is for structured content. 498 00:55:49.829 --> 00:55:52.920 Ideally, from my control vocabulary. 499 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.949 And 3 and 41 support a little. 500 00:55:55.949 --> 00:56:04.019 Counterintuitive it 1st, and sub field a record the sensory mode required to access the content of the resource. 501 00:56:04.019 --> 00:56:07.079 Without using assisted features. 502 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.489 So the captions or transcript in these examples. 503 00:56:11.489 --> 00:56:15.239 Are substituting for that. 504 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.300 Auditory content. 505 00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:22.769 At 532 is used for free text notes. 506 00:56:22.769 --> 00:56:28.469 And now, I guess we're at the point where. 507 00:56:28.469 --> 00:56:32.489 We can maybe take questions and have a break. 508 00:56:34.644 --> 00:56:49.614 Okay, if you have a question for Kelly, please click on the little raised hand icon, at the end of the list of attendees, and I will be looking for folks with their hand raised, I'll mention your name and then Haley will on mute you. 509 00:56:49.614 --> 00:56:51.235 So you can ask your question to Kelly. 510 00:56:52.860 --> 00:57:02.039 I think there also may be questions to that does always an option to. 511 00:57:03.355 --> 00:57:06.025 Just been numerous comments in chat. 512 00:57:06.864 --> 00:57:19.255 The only question that I noticed it took back because Kelly actually answered this because she was talking I am not seeing any raised hands. 513 00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:26.340 I want to make sure I'm doing this. Right? So, let's give it a few more seconds. 514 00:57:28.469 --> 00:57:42.204 Unless Haley, you know, some way to see when this happens. I miss. Yeah, I'm looking at as well and raised 10 so perhaps then we shall go to break or whatever you want. Kenny? Yeah, that sounds good. 515 00:57:42.204 --> 00:57:43.585 Let's take. 516 00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:57.565 About maybe 10 minutes here. Okay. It's 2 minutes to the hour. So let's say about 8 minutes after the hour. Yep, that sounds good. All right. 517 00:57:57.565 --> 00:58:02.934 Everybody about 10 minutes. Excellent. 518 01:07:53.125 --> 01:08:00.775 Welcome back everybody tell me a question popped up over break. So if you don't mind, you want to start with that. I can read it to you. 519 01:08:01.494 --> 01:08:15.414 Sure, Brian was asking about the 300 field beginning with 1 online resource and noted that sometimes he sees 1 streaming video file and parentheses afterwards is it okay to add 1 streaming video file? 520 01:08:15.414 --> 01:08:17.845 Or should it just be 1 video file in the parentheses? 521 01:08:19.229 --> 01:08:28.649 Well, if you're following the provider neutral file, you can't talk provider neutral model. 522 01:08:28.649 --> 01:08:33.210 Then you would not want to use streaming in there because. 523 01:08:33.210 --> 01:08:40.649 It wouldn't distinguish between the streaming and the downloadable video files in terms of put in a separate records. 524 01:08:40.649 --> 01:08:47.880 No, and I don't think that's the examples in, but already, of course, then tells you. 525 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:55.920 That you can use another term and common use. So I guess if you were doing a provider specific record. 526 01:08:55.920 --> 01:09:04.109 You know, that that would be acceptable. It's probably not the 1st thing I would worry about correcting in a streaming video record. 527 01:09:04.109 --> 01:09:13.680 But at least if you're following the provider neutral model, and you're making a record, then I would not include the word screaming though. 528 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:20.189 Thanks Kelly. I hope that answers your question, Brian it's not you can add a follow up. 529 01:09:20.189 --> 01:09:25.470 Thanks okay. 530 01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:30.000 And no other questions. 531 01:09:31.829 --> 01:09:37.829 All right, no, not at this point some people are commenting about, you know, what they do. 532 01:09:37.829 --> 01:09:42.930 In their own practices, but nobody had a question for say. 533 01:09:42.930 --> 01:09:46.109 Okay, well, I guess we can. 534 01:09:46.109 --> 01:09:51.960 Keep going then. Cool. Um, so. 535 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:57.060 Now, we're moving on to territory where, I mean, on even less from footing. 536 01:09:57.060 --> 01:10:03.539 Continuing resources, so I'm not actually really going to talk about blogs. 537 01:10:03.539 --> 01:10:09.930 But I'm going to use them as a jumping off point to discuss some parallel formats feature and audio and video. 538 01:10:09.930 --> 01:10:15.840 So a live website published in the form of a series of discreet text entries are post. 539 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:20.880 And a blog or video blog is a form of blog that uses video posts. 540 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:28.920 Rather than textual posts, and podcasts are a similar format using audio files. 541 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:38.970 And video podcasts also exists and from what I can tell there does not seem to be a hard and fast line between the definition of video blog. 542 01:10:38.970 --> 01:10:42.479 And video podcast. 543 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:46.079 So your content carrier and type of record. 544 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:55.350 Are determined in the same way, as for any streaming media, taking the example of a podcast. The Mark record type is eye for spoken recording. 545 01:10:55.350 --> 01:11:01.260 Form is oh, for online and you've got your 3, 3 X fields there. 546 01:11:01.260 --> 01:11:06.180 The new twist with podcasts and video blogs. 547 01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:11.460 Is that now? We have to deal with what rba calls motive issuance. 548 01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:15.000 Which has to deal with whether it manifestation is issued. 549 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.029 In 1 or more parks, the way it's updated. 550 01:11:18.029 --> 01:11:23.100 And whether it's determination is predetermined or or not. 551 01:11:23.100 --> 01:11:31.050 Since blacks and podcasts have multiple poster episodes. 552 01:11:31.050 --> 01:11:35.550 We're no longer dealing with a more straightforward, simple part monograph. 553 01:11:35.550 --> 01:11:39.569 Already lists several other types of modes of issuants. 554 01:11:39.569 --> 01:11:51.300 Including multi part monograph, simple sorry cereal and integrating resource. So now we're ready for the next poll. 555 01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:54.390 Which is what do you think the motive issuance. 556 01:11:54.390 --> 01:12:02.489 Should be for a podcast, multipart, monograph cereal, or integrating resource. 557 01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:40.829 Okay, it looks like the pole ended. 558 01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:59.220 Okay, and then we have some split results. 559 01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:04.079 So, you know, I had a little bit of confusion about this myself. 560 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:12.569 And I did ask on the PCCC list where there are people with more continuing resources expertise that I have. 561 01:13:12.569 --> 01:13:16.020 And the consensus seemed to be that most blogs. 562 01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:26.039 Logs and podcasts, she'd be considered Serials a motive issuance about manifestation issues in successive parks. Usually very numbering. 563 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.430 It has no predetermined conclusion. 564 01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:42.239 So, I think the way to think about this, is that what you're describing is the series of posts for episodes. 565 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:47.939 And not the web pages that surround them the individual posts, or episodes are discreet. 566 01:13:47.939 --> 01:13:53.939 And issues in succession, it may not have number. Right? But most of them show a date when they were posted. 567 01:13:53.939 --> 01:13:56.939 So, they have a chronological designation. 568 01:13:56.939 --> 01:14:01.710 The website that hosts the blog, or podcast is probably an integrating resource. 569 01:14:01.710 --> 01:14:12.029 But the poster episodes are issued seriously, you should also watch out for this idea of no predetermined conclusion, which, I think was mentioned in the chat also. 570 01:14:12.029 --> 01:14:18.869 And this is based on the issuer's intent. So, for example, a series of blog posts done for an academic class. 571 01:14:18.869 --> 01:14:22.170 Would be a multipe monograph and not a serial. 572 01:14:22.170 --> 01:14:25.770 If the intent is to end the posting and the class is over. 573 01:14:25.770 --> 01:14:40.470 And as I keep saying, the mark record type for digital resources is based on content. So for video blogs and podcasts, you would still have type. 574 01:14:40.470 --> 01:14:44.340 But with a** and the only the level fixed field. 575 01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:48.359 Add is 0. 0 6 to bring out. 576 01:14:51.539 --> 01:14:56.520 That continuing resource aspect. 577 01:15:02.430 --> 01:15:13.949 So, I'm not really going to talk about the new, but I would be remiss if I didn't say something briefly about a significant change that's coming. 578 01:15:13.949 --> 01:15:25.590 And will replace motive issuance. So diachronic works are a new thing, and already in the new, and are defined as works that are planned to be embodied over time. 579 01:15:25.590 --> 01:15:32.279 And this plan has several attributes and extension requirement. 580 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:41.550 An extension mode and an extension termination and these values can be combined to describe what we currently call. Multipart monographs. 581 01:15:41.550 --> 01:15:45.239 Cereals and integrating resources. 582 01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:54.359 So, for resources that have been issued in more than 1 part. 583 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:58.170 Before identified a preferred source for the title proper. 584 01:15:58.170 --> 01:16:11.489 You have to decide which of the parts to base your description on and for Serials. Are they instructs you to generally prefer the part with the lowest number or last date of issue? 585 01:16:11.489 --> 01:16:19.109 My team decided on the part on which to base your description, then you're back to lucky for a preferred source. 586 01:16:19.109 --> 01:16:22.710 And for streaming video, you should stop for for the title frames. 587 01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:28.229 Or streaming audio usually the best source is textual information on the associate web page. 588 01:16:28.229 --> 01:16:33.029 As with all information on the web, this information is potentially not static. 589 01:16:33.029 --> 01:16:37.199 But it is the most practical and sometimes the only option. 590 01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:42.600 So this is the screenshot, a screenshot of the 1st, episode of a podcast. 591 01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:47.880 And although the individual episode title is more prominent. 592 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:52.050 To pick this part as the basis of your identification. 593 01:16:52.050 --> 01:16:59.489 And the podcast title can't be clearly identified and justice with any online resource. 594 01:16:59.489 --> 01:17:05.489 You want to make a note about where, and often when you got your information. 595 01:17:11.189 --> 01:17:15.810 Add in addition for Serials cataloging, you should note. 596 01:17:15.810 --> 01:17:20.159 Which part of the resource you're basing, or description on. 597 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:24.869 And finally serial records have a 2nd 588. 598 01:17:24.869 --> 01:17:29.310 Well, you should note the most recent post or episode that you examined. 599 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:38.100 Add, although rba itself requires at least 1 statement of responsibility. 600 01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:41.579 Policy statement says. 601 01:17:41.579 --> 01:17:45.750 That a statement of responsibility is not required for Serials. 602 01:17:45.750 --> 01:17:50.609 Traditional Serials are usually the product of organizations and individuals. 603 01:17:50.609 --> 01:17:55.289 So has an exception for Serials discouraging from recording. 604 01:17:55.289 --> 01:17:58.829 Personal statements of responsibility for editors. 605 01:17:58.829 --> 01:18:03.390 And all those, some blogs and podcasts are created by which, and organizations. 606 01:18:03.390 --> 01:18:12.300 Many are the work of individuals or a couple people so they don't fit neatly into this traditional model of cereals. 607 01:18:12.300 --> 01:18:17.489 There is also a special instruction in. 608 01:18:17.489 --> 01:18:21.029 For persons or families consider to be creators and to cereals. 609 01:18:21.029 --> 01:18:31.859 When I was preparing this section, I cataloged a couple of podcasts to work through the process for myself. And then I got some feedback on my records on the PCCC list. 610 01:18:31.859 --> 01:18:37.109 Although there are still a couple of things that I'm not entirely. 611 01:18:37.109 --> 01:18:48.630 Sure, I'm on from foot in and any errors are definitely mine. I will put the OCC numbers of these 2 records in Chad. 612 01:18:48.630 --> 01:18:51.840 So that people can look at them if they. 613 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:57.329 Wish. 614 01:18:58.859 --> 01:19:04.470 Um. 615 01:19:04.470 --> 01:19:08.579 And it appears to be that for both of my examples. 616 01:19:08.579 --> 01:19:12.840 They should qualify for having a personal creator. 617 01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:18.239 But I did get stuck on what the relationship designator should be. 618 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:30.479 For the personal creator of a video podcast or blog, I would use filmmaker. 619 01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:36.479 Which is listed in the section of appendix I, for relationship designators for creators. 620 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:41.130 However, I'm not seeing anything similar that I could use for an audio podcast. 621 01:19:41.130 --> 01:19:44.399 Relationship that I currently. 622 01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:49.739 App host and interviewer expression are only linked to expressions. 623 01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:58.409 Unfortunately already doesn't recognize performers as creators. It works. So I ended up going with the general high level designation creator. 624 01:19:58.409 --> 01:20:04.710 But if anyone has other ideas, put please put them and chat or email me. 625 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:13.050 Since blacks and podcasts are published in parks over time, they'll generally record a range of publication dates. 626 01:20:13.050 --> 01:20:16.890 Noted in Mark that did fit value for date ranges. 627 01:20:16.890 --> 01:20:20.550 For continuing resource records is see. 628 01:20:20.550 --> 01:20:30.659 If new poster episodes are still being added date, 2 should be 9, 9, 9, 9 for shells cataloging. You should only get the 1st and last date. 629 01:20:30.659 --> 01:20:34.829 And 264th, we have the relevant manifestations in hand. 630 01:20:34.829 --> 01:20:41.039 Which usually isn't a problem for blogs and podcasts. 631 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:47.909 And especially for podcasts are often multiple sites where the resources available. 632 01:20:47.909 --> 01:20:56.010 From a provider neutral standpoint is probably best to base the description on the source version that this can be identified. 633 01:20:56.010 --> 01:20:59.729 In some cases the creator of the podcast maintains a website. 634 01:20:59.729 --> 01:21:05.970 Portion of our Web site for the podcast, and then syndicates the content to other podcast platforms. 635 01:21:05.970 --> 01:21:09.810 As in the 1st, 260, for example, here. 636 01:21:09.810 --> 01:21:20.250 There are also a number of companies that will host your podcast such as anchor the podcast shown in the bottom. Right? Screenshot is an example of this. 637 01:21:20.250 --> 01:21:24.210 The creator of the podcast uploads content to the anchor website. 638 01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:29.039 And then mix the content available to a variety of other sites. 639 01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:33.479 As you can see by the numerous icons above the episode title. 640 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:38.310 In this case, I would base the description on the anchor website version. 641 01:21:38.310 --> 01:21:41.670 I ended up considering the podcasts to be self published. 642 01:21:41.670 --> 01:21:44.970 Bank or website provides a space to upload content. 643 01:21:44.970 --> 01:21:52.829 At tools to disseminated, but doesn't seem to do anything else. I think it's. 644 01:21:52.829 --> 01:21:57.090 And now, I guess to someone put in their blog on a hosted site, like. 645 01:21:57.090 --> 01:22:01.470 And from what I can tell, Elsie doesn't seem to treat blogger as a publisher. 646 01:22:01.470 --> 01:22:09.989 For extent, already tells you that when preparing a comprehensive description for a manifestation. 647 01:22:09.989 --> 01:22:16.500 It is not yet complete. You should record the term indicating that the type of unit without the number. 648 01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:21.600 However, once it's finished, you can add in the numbering. 649 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:34.560 And there are a couple special fields and notes that are used for cereals. You should make a 362 feel given membrane of the 1st issue. 650 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:40.350 And a 515 note can be used to describe any changes or regularities. 651 01:22:40.350 --> 01:22:45.000 If the post episodes aren't number just use the date the posting. 652 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:58.170 Another attribute of continuing resources. Is there a frequency or lack thereof? 653 01:22:58.170 --> 01:23:06.239 Already provides a controlled vocabulary for recording frequency. If the podcast, her blog has a standard frequency. 654 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:12.930 It can be recorded in that we tend field as well as in the associated. 6. 655 01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:17.609 As shown here, if new poster episode. 656 01:23:17.609 --> 01:23:29.130 Are known to be added irregularly, put irregular and 310 and code the associated fixed fields appropriately. If you don't know if the blogger podcast has a standard frequency or not. 657 01:23:29.130 --> 01:23:33.720 Omit 310 and put you for unknown in the relevant fixed fields. 658 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:38.369 So, podcast particular may be available. 659 01:23:38.369 --> 01:23:41.729 Add multiple platforms with multiple. 660 01:23:41.729 --> 01:23:46.500 As many of these, as you wish may be put on a single provider neutral records. 661 01:23:46.500 --> 01:23:52.500 Ever it's okay to be selected and it's not necessary to go looking for additional URLs. 662 01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:56.130 There may also be cases where there are multiple potential places. 663 01:23:56.130 --> 01:24:05.220 And a single site to link to the consumer manual recommends choosing anywhere else that functions, like a table of contents. If there is 1. 664 01:24:08.579 --> 01:24:12.960 And in addition to, or instead of cataloging the whole podcast or blog. 665 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:17.520 You may wish to catalogue some or all of the individual episodes or posts. 666 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:27.180 In this case, you would catalog as a monograph and the title proper would normally be the episode or post title the title of the podcast or a blog as a whole. 667 01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:30.750 Could go in 7, 7, 3, host item entry. 668 01:24:30.750 --> 01:24:38.760 And that's the end of the section on blogs and podcasts and. 669 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:43.079 I'll stop here in case. Anyone has any questions. 670 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:47.850 About that, or the streaming media section in general. 671 01:24:47.850 --> 01:25:01.770 You can go ahead and click on the raise your right hand icon. There was a bit of chatter about relationship designators for these someone suggested podcaster and someone else host. 672 01:25:01.770 --> 01:25:15.420 Might be appropriate. I noticed that you did include host in 1 of your examples. If not both of them I did include host. The problem with host is that. 673 01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:26.819 And I don't actually agree with the modeling of the way already is mental model on this. But this is the way already is set up host. 674 01:25:26.819 --> 01:25:32.159 Is a relationship designator that is connected to expressions. 675 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:37.140 So, it, it just put it in a 100 field as a. 676 01:25:37.140 --> 01:25:41.279 Unless it's in addition to some sort of relationship designator. 677 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:44.399 That is, um. 678 01:25:44.935 --> 01:25:54.835 Creator title, and that's why I hate those definitions that point. It shouldn't happen. 679 01:25:54.835 --> 01:26:09.354 Logistically there's another chat question from Lynn for individual episodes. Why not use it to a 45 with a instead of episode in the 245 and podcast in the 773. 680 01:26:11.069 --> 01:26:17.579 So, you would do that if the individual post titles aren't distinctive. 681 01:26:17.579 --> 01:26:23.369 But the instructions and and. 682 01:26:23.369 --> 01:26:30.569 Remember this if, if you're cataloging a part of something and the part title is distinctive. 683 01:26:30.569 --> 01:26:35.430 Then the title of the thing is that part title. 684 01:26:35.430 --> 01:26:47.729 And not that sort of would not use the AP construction there. That sounds right to me, although it's not something I refer to a lot. 685 01:26:47.729 --> 01:26:51.149 Yeah, I don't have the the. 686 01:26:51.149 --> 01:26:57.180 At hand, right at the moment, since I'm not on our VPN. 687 01:26:57.180 --> 01:27:10.079 But I'm trying to get their minds hanging up so we may have to roll it back up. But that, that certainly sounds familiar to me as well. Kelly. Thank you. Yeah, I can follow up on that. 688 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:14.250 I do not see any raised hands. 689 01:27:15.510 --> 01:27:24.899 Someone Mary Congo suggested bloggers and bloggers with a V. are searchable using those terms. 690 01:27:24.899 --> 01:27:33.720 And then Linda, that sounds right I just don't like that idea when I'm trying to keep things together for display. 691 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:37.199 That. 692 01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:42.899 There are advantages and disadvantages to both ways and yeah. 693 01:27:42.899 --> 01:27:46.859 But it's true sometimes. 694 01:27:46.859 --> 01:27:53.460 R D, especially the relationship phrases and terminology can be very confining. 695 01:27:53.460 --> 01:28:00.390 That's all I'm saying. So, if you want to proceed, Colleen, I think that would be okay. 696 01:28:00.390 --> 01:28:04.529 All right, my will move on to the last section that here. 697 01:28:04.529 --> 01:28:11.970 Which is on tangible digital resources and I'm just going to talk about we. 698 01:28:11.970 --> 01:28:17.369 Probably representative types of digital tangible resources optical discs. 699 01:28:17.369 --> 01:28:21.659 Such a. C. D ROMs USP flash drives and player ways. 700 01:28:21.659 --> 01:28:26.130 So the 3 flavors have optical discs. 701 01:28:26.130 --> 01:28:40.739 That you are most likely to encounter our and blue Ray and 1st of all, I want to review the basic physical characteristics of these discs. So the 3 types of optical this shown here are usually the same size. 702 01:28:40.739 --> 01:28:46.170 And look very similar, they're all flat round and have so called pits and lands. 703 01:28:46.170 --> 01:28:52.170 And at least 1 side that represent the zeros and ones that computers operator on. 704 01:28:52.170 --> 01:28:58.680 Which are read by laser however, there are physical differences in the construction and materials used. 705 01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:01.859 Which affect how much information can be stored on them. 706 01:29:01.859 --> 01:29:11.520 Which are important to the user because the user needs a device with the right kind of drive to play a given disk. So, 1 thing that we had hoped to get with the move. 707 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:18.300 From the general material designation of to is content carrier media types. 708 01:29:18.300 --> 01:29:32.904 Was the separation of content and carrier and RPA is is an improvement in this area that has not completely succeeded in avoiding the mixing of content and carrier optical disc provide an excellent example of the conflation of 709 01:29:32.904 --> 01:29:34.795 content strictly physical. 710 01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:41.760 Characteristics of a carrier add before Darwin any further into this question. 711 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:52.380 We'll have 1 more pull, which is, what do you think they're already a media carrier types are for the disk shown on the slide. 712 01:30:41.189 --> 01:30:49.680 Okay, well we have a range of of. 713 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:58.229 Responses so I'm going to talk about this because this is actually a very using area. 714 01:30:58.229 --> 01:31:11.039 So this is 1 place where tangible digital resources get really tricky. All of the this shown on this slide are the same in terms of the type of described needed to read them. 715 01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:14.760 In purely physical terms they are all the same carrier. 716 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:18.600 Well, except the is constructed slightly differently. 717 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.890 But, basically they're the same. 718 01:31:22.890 --> 01:31:26.460 Standard of disk. 719 01:31:26.460 --> 01:31:30.300 And when people hear that work, they usually think of movies. 720 01:31:30.300 --> 01:31:36.000 And this is what we have in the upper right corner a typical mass produced TV video. 721 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:41.399 But this is a D. V. D. and it has audio visual information coded on it according to a. 722 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:46.649 A specific standard that enables it to be read by stand alone DVD players. 723 01:31:46.649 --> 01:31:50.939 Already considers this type of disk to have a video of this carrier. 724 01:31:50.939 --> 01:32:01.109 And a media type of video to the left of it is a DVD audio disk. This is physically the exact same carrier as the DVD video. 725 01:32:01.109 --> 01:32:06.479 But it has audio content and coded on it according to the DVD audio standard. 726 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:11.009 So, rba considers this type of disc to have an audio is carrier. 727 01:32:11.009 --> 01:32:20.158 And immediate type of audio in the bottom left, we have a video game on TV that is meant to be played at a PC. 728 01:32:25.649 --> 01:32:33.958 And although this is statistically again, the exact same carrier already considers this 1. 729 01:32:33.958 --> 01:32:44.309 To have that computer does carrier and computer media type in the bottom, right? We have another DVD that has 2 dimensional, moving image content that it. 730 01:32:44.309 --> 01:32:47.338 But it cannot be played on a standalone player. 731 01:32:47.338 --> 01:32:52.408 The video content isn't coded in time and requires a computer deploy. 732 01:32:52.408 --> 01:32:58.769 In this case already consider the D tab a computer disk carrier and computer media type. 733 01:32:58.769 --> 01:33:09.479 Like, the video game, and not like the movie. So on the top left is a picture of a blank DVD artist that doesn't have any content recorded on it yet. 734 01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:13.048 Given the way that splits up the universe. 735 01:33:13.048 --> 01:33:16.918 It is impossible to determine what the media carrier type is. 736 01:33:16.918 --> 01:33:22.948 Until what has content so that last poll was kind of a trick question, cause they. 737 01:33:22.948 --> 01:33:26.128 The actual answer is D, I don't know. 738 01:33:26.128 --> 01:33:29.309 Um, because there wasn't enough information given. 739 01:33:29.309 --> 01:33:37.288 Unless, you know, what kind of content is written on the DVD are you don't actually know what the. 740 01:33:37.288 --> 01:33:41.668 Carrier and media types are. 741 01:33:46.229 --> 01:33:52.588 So, what is a DVD are anyway, according to a PC Mac it is a type of right once. 742 01:33:52.588 --> 01:33:57.988 Dbd disk how does this fit into an descriptions? 743 01:33:57.988 --> 01:34:05.969 So, I think of this as sort of an Easter egg element in rba, because if you didn't already, you know, it was there, you'd never find it. 744 01:34:05.969 --> 01:34:10.588 Has a production method element. 745 01:34:10.588 --> 01:34:14.729 Which describes the process is used to produce the manifestation. 746 01:34:14.729 --> 01:34:18.238 Most of the things in the rba controlled vocabulary. 747 01:34:18.238 --> 01:34:26.488 Are things like engraving and photocopying because lasers used to write information on the surface of recruitable optical discs. 748 01:34:26.488 --> 01:34:30.118 They fall into the already a category of burning. 749 01:34:30.118 --> 01:34:34.109 So this is what you do when you use the optical describe on your computer. 750 01:34:34.109 --> 01:34:37.708 To write data to a CD or DVD. 751 01:34:37.708 --> 01:34:48.389 Other relevant value in the audio production method vocabulary is staffing, which is used for mass produced discs, made in a factory. 752 01:34:48.389 --> 01:34:54.389 Staffing is only economical if you're making a large enough number of discs that are all the same. 753 01:34:54.389 --> 01:34:58.828 So, DVDs have popular major motion pictures are stamped. 754 01:34:58.828 --> 01:35:04.439 But DVD videos from these educational publishers are likely burnt. 755 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:08.849 And why is this information important? There are a couple reasons. 756 01:35:08.849 --> 01:35:12.779 1, is that burn? This can be more problematic to play. 757 01:35:12.779 --> 01:35:20.939 For example, some older DVD players don't play so this can be helpful information for public services. 758 01:35:20.939 --> 01:35:25.259 When cratchey, the old professors with ancient DVD players complain. 759 01:35:25.259 --> 01:35:33.328 That such and such DV doesn't work. This can be also useful information for a couple of collection development and preservation. 760 01:35:33.328 --> 01:35:37.708 Because recorded this generally don't last as long as stamped discs. 761 01:35:43.288 --> 01:35:47.399 And many times the disk itself will tell you what it is. 762 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:53.849 But in the absence of that information, there are a couple ways to tell if you're looking at a stamp burn disk. 763 01:35:53.849 --> 01:35:58.229 1, is that I've shown on the right normally if you look at the bottom of the disk. 764 01:35:58.229 --> 01:36:03.298 You can see a difference between the area where data has been written and the blank areas. 765 01:36:03.298 --> 01:36:08.759 If it's a burnt disk, whereas the surface of a stamp to this will be uniform. 766 01:36:08.759 --> 01:36:13.979 In addition underneath have recorded, this usually has a greenish or purplish tent. 767 01:36:13.979 --> 01:36:19.979 The main exception that I've read about are some that are designed to look like. 768 01:36:19.979 --> 01:36:24.569 But you hopefully are not acquiring for your library. 769 01:36:24.569 --> 01:36:29.849 There's no audio controlled vocabulary for specific types of front desk. 770 01:36:29.849 --> 01:36:34.109 But if you have this information, you can put it in a 538. now. 771 01:36:34.109 --> 01:36:40.588 Some catalogs like to preface this note with a phrase disc characteristics. 772 01:36:42.269 --> 01:36:46.529 And also times the disc itself will tell you exactly what it is. 773 01:36:46.529 --> 01:36:50.038 But if not, there are various free programs that will tell you. 774 01:36:50.038 --> 01:36:54.059 Here's some sample output from 1 of them on the far left. 775 01:36:54.059 --> 01:36:59.639 Never mass produced DVD of a popular movie. It's a stamped video disk. 776 01:36:59.639 --> 01:37:07.259 Which is represented by the D. V. D. ROM and the media type and book type fields. 777 01:37:07.259 --> 01:37:13.559 The content type shows, DVD video, the middle example is a burned DVD video. 778 01:37:13.559 --> 01:37:17.338 In the media type and book type, it shows. 779 01:37:17.338 --> 01:37:23.069 But like that mass produced DVD video desk, it shows the content type of DVD video. 780 01:37:23.069 --> 01:37:28.259 The final example could be almost any kind of content on a mass produced disc. 781 01:37:28.259 --> 01:37:33.628 Including that quick time instructional video that I. 782 01:37:33.628 --> 01:37:39.838 Showed earlier that media type of book type show that it was stamped in a factory. 783 01:37:39.838 --> 01:37:43.198 But the content type shows data. 784 01:37:47.729 --> 01:37:55.679 These are just some more examples that you might want to look at later and here are some links to several free programs. 785 01:37:55.679 --> 01:37:59.368 That will help you identify optical types. 786 01:37:59.368 --> 01:38:05.248 So, circling back to the way it treats these this differently. 787 01:38:05.248 --> 01:38:11.338 The key is the way that the content is encoded and what type of device you need to play that content. 788 01:38:11.338 --> 01:38:18.628 At least that's my best interpretation of what our is trying to get at is the device that you play that. 789 01:38:18.628 --> 01:38:21.899 Content back on a dedicated. 790 01:38:21.899 --> 01:38:31.618 Playback device or a computer. The challenge is in my mind there really aren't 2 binary categories, computer and computer. 791 01:38:31.618 --> 01:38:37.378 But rather I continuum, we have a fairly all Blu, Ray player. 792 01:38:37.378 --> 01:38:42.298 Which came and stopped with some software to play Netflix. 793 01:38:43.378 --> 01:38:47.399 Amazon Prime YouTube, and some other streaming videos. 794 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:51.748 Does that mean that you 2 works with a 9 computer playback device? 795 01:38:51.748 --> 01:38:57.208 And it turns out that the company that made the Blu, Ray player is no longer updating that software. 796 01:38:57.208 --> 01:39:03.479 So, now, if you try to play YouTube videos on it, you get a message that the app is no longer supported. 797 01:39:05.069 --> 01:39:11.698 So the line between sort of a standalone hard wired playback device. 798 01:39:11.698 --> 01:39:15.509 And a computer is kind of blurry. 799 01:39:15.509 --> 01:39:20.399 However, optical, this should be considered computer disk with computer content. 800 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:23.458 Unless they have been encoded with 1 of the formats. 801 01:39:23.458 --> 01:39:26.729 That already treats is special because they can be played. 802 01:39:26.729 --> 01:39:32.998 The playback devices, which I would define as dedicated mass, produced, hard coded equipment. 803 01:39:32.998 --> 01:39:44.338 And as I mentioned before, already used to have a controlled vocabulary under digital coding formats, and the list was problematic. In some ways, they can still be helpful. 804 01:39:44.338 --> 01:39:47.519 And some of these things are file types and some of them. 805 01:39:47.519 --> 01:39:52.019 More like ways to organize content, particularly on optical discs. 806 01:39:52.019 --> 01:39:59.878 Were used by a specialized playback machines, and the ones that are considered to have non computer media types. 807 01:39:59.878 --> 01:40:06.208 Are these ones that can be used in mass produced specialized equipment? 808 01:40:08.099 --> 01:40:13.048 If you navigate to the video on your computer. 809 01:40:13.048 --> 01:40:19.529 In the file system, you'll see, it always has the same kind of file structure. 810 01:40:19.529 --> 01:40:23.908 It is the standardized types of files and the way they are arranged on the disc. 811 01:40:23.908 --> 01:40:29.578 It enables DVD players to recognize and interpret the content of a DVD video. 812 01:40:29.578 --> 01:40:35.819 Is there a couple of quotes that may be helpful and understanding. 813 01:40:35.819 --> 01:40:38.998 I know I've gone on about these differences at Mike. 814 01:40:38.998 --> 01:40:42.298 But I found that many people find this confusing. 815 01:40:42.298 --> 01:40:48.118 Not least because in casual conversation, they use these terms much less. Precisely. 816 01:41:00.238 --> 01:41:05.639 1st, quote list some file types versus what it costs playback formats. 817 01:41:05.639 --> 01:41:09.719 Which include the formats that does not consider computer based. 818 01:41:09.719 --> 01:41:17.548 The 2nd, 1 spells out the DVD videos, the type of leaving me wrong here again is a potential point of confusion. 819 01:41:17.548 --> 01:41:20.969 The wrong terms, like D. V. D ROM and CD ROM. 820 01:41:20.969 --> 01:41:28.948 Can be used to indicate a stamp disk where data was added in a factory setting in contrast to burn is like. 821 01:41:28.948 --> 01:41:33.118 However, they can also be used as a general umbrella term. 822 01:41:33.118 --> 01:41:39.029 Or a disk type as it is used here or to mean, any type of data disk. 823 01:41:39.029 --> 01:41:45.929 I had disc where data is not encoded in 1 of the special encoding formats like video. 824 01:41:45.929 --> 01:41:49.139 All right and we have 1 more poll question. 825 01:41:49.139 --> 01:41:54.599 What are do you think the media and carrier type are for an MP? 3? Cdd. 826 01:42:55.349 --> 01:43:02.668 Okay, well, fortunately for you that music library association has already thought about this and answered this question for you. 827 01:43:02.668 --> 01:43:08.399 And they consider it to be an audio disc. 828 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:14.729 So, remember that if it's not a tangible computer, a carrier. 829 01:43:14.729 --> 01:43:17.819 You shouldn't use queue and form. 830 01:43:17.819 --> 01:43:23.609 And when trying to identify the correct digital and sound characteristics for ideal carriers. 831 01:43:23.609 --> 01:43:29.939 That music library associations, supplement to their best practices, which is linked from the bottom of this slide. 832 01:43:29.939 --> 01:43:35.158 Is very helpful and basically, their argument is that. 833 01:43:35.158 --> 01:43:40.288 Will play in the at least some regular CD players. 834 01:43:41.849 --> 01:43:48.809 Haven't haven't talked about media and carrier type. Let's talk about the content types. 835 01:43:48.809 --> 01:43:54.599 There are a few content types in R. D. that only apply to digital resources that you should be aware of. 836 01:43:54.599 --> 01:43:58.378 2 of them are data sets, which must be digital encoded. 837 01:43:58.378 --> 01:44:05.219 And are intended to be processed by a computer. There's 1 for computer playing computer data sets. 838 01:44:05.219 --> 01:44:09.418 And 1, where rapid data sets are pulled out separately. 839 01:44:17.038 --> 01:44:25.529 The other content type to keep in mind is computer program. 840 01:44:25.529 --> 01:44:30.328 Already defines this as content expressed in digitally coded instructions. 841 01:44:30.328 --> 01:44:33.569 Intended to be processed and performed by a computer. 842 01:44:33.569 --> 01:44:37.859 That includes things like Windows, Microsoft Office and video games. 843 01:44:37.859 --> 01:44:44.248 There's also 1 Mark record type that is only ever used with computer carriers. 844 01:44:44.248 --> 01:44:50.248 If you've been cataloging for, as long as I have email, remember a time when everything on a computer carrier. 845 01:44:50.248 --> 01:44:59.548 Or what ACR, to used to call a computer file was put on a type and record after a while. There was such a proliferation of electronic resources. 846 01:44:59.548 --> 01:45:05.519 That that became my tenable and the mark format was changed. So that record type is based on content. 847 01:45:05.519 --> 01:45:09.179 And record type M, was more narrowly defined to food. 848 01:45:09.179 --> 01:45:13.288 Only those types of resources that couldn't be put on another record type. 849 01:45:13.288 --> 01:45:20.279 And this includes, in fact, computer software, computer, oriented, multimedia and online systems for agents. 850 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:27.208 And this is just something from the mark format documentation in that same topic. 851 01:45:27.208 --> 01:45:30.298 So, occasionally you might not be sure. 852 01:45:30.298 --> 01:45:33.689 What record type to use in this case the mark format. 853 01:45:33.689 --> 01:45:40.979 Tells you to default to, em, there are also some situations where there isn't a predominant content type. 854 01:45:40.979 --> 01:45:44.788 For example, if you have a, that has conference presentations on it. 855 01:45:44.788 --> 01:45:48.569 And it has both and audio and video version of each presentation. 856 01:45:48.569 --> 01:45:53.368 Then you could put it on type because there isn't a single predominant type. 857 01:45:59.488 --> 01:46:07.859 Type of computer file is it fixed fields associated with type M records? 858 01:46:07.859 --> 01:46:11.009 It has the possible values listed on this slide. 859 01:46:11.009 --> 01:46:14.729 You should you see representational. 860 01:46:14.729 --> 01:46:18.389 We're still images, moving images and carded graphic images. 861 01:46:18.389 --> 01:46:22.948 And am again, is the default for mixed content or if you don't know. 862 01:46:22.948 --> 01:46:30.628 So, all that best practices for catalogue and video games, recommend that you use. 863 01:46:30.628 --> 01:46:35.248 2 content types to the moving image and computer program. 864 01:46:35.248 --> 01:46:38.488 On a type and file record for video games. 865 01:46:38.488 --> 01:46:45.719 And if you're not aware of it, I highly recommend these 2 resources for video, but game cataloging from. 866 01:46:45.719 --> 01:46:50.248 That video game, best practices and the video game. Sean vocabulary. 867 01:46:50.248 --> 01:46:57.658 And 1 more sneak peek at the new. It includes a new element called interactivity. 868 01:46:57.658 --> 01:47:03.929 Which defines as a capacity of content to respond to actions performed by the user. 869 01:47:03.929 --> 01:47:09.658 And this is likely to be useful video games and other digital content. 870 01:47:09.658 --> 01:47:13.798 So, now I'd like to walk to a fairly straightforward example. 871 01:47:13.798 --> 01:47:20.248 Of a PDF of conference proceedings, and a CD around that Mark record type is based on content. 872 01:47:20.248 --> 01:47:25.649 A, for text, because it's a data disk and not 1 of the special playback formats. 873 01:47:25.649 --> 01:47:30.868 A form fixed should be coded queue or direct electronic storage. 874 01:47:30.868 --> 01:47:37.109 On a tangible medium and the record type is not M, for computer file. 875 01:47:37.109 --> 01:47:41.878 Recommends adding as yours or 6 to record the computer file aspects. 876 01:47:41.878 --> 01:47:51.868 And you will also mark 7 for the CD ROM and most of the values are the same for all 3 of the types. 877 01:47:51.868 --> 01:48:00.899 I've discussed right and the only ones that vary for different desks are color and sound. 878 01:48:00.899 --> 01:48:03.958 There are more values that you can code for this 7. 879 01:48:03.958 --> 01:48:08.189 But they aren't required, and they're very useful for most materials. 880 01:48:08.189 --> 01:48:12.689 So that content carrier and media types. 881 01:48:12.689 --> 01:48:16.378 For that PDF. 882 01:48:16.378 --> 01:48:19.559 Hassan CD 1. 883 01:48:19.559 --> 01:48:23.788 For extent, you can either use a term from the list of carrier types. 884 01:48:23.788 --> 01:48:31.498 That is 1 computer optical disk where you can follow the alternative and use determined common usage 1 CDROM. 885 01:48:31.498 --> 01:48:35.429 The policy statements allow either. 886 01:48:35.429 --> 01:48:39.029 I tend to prefer that common usage terms as they convey. 887 01:48:39.029 --> 01:48:48.868 More information to the end user, and our da tells you to record the dimensions and centimeters, but the policy statements say to use inches for disks. 888 01:48:48.868 --> 01:49:00.179 And again, lists the number of digital file characteristics that you can record, and the ones that you're most likely to use her file type and encoding format. 889 01:49:00.179 --> 01:49:04.828 Some video games do you have regional encoding? 890 01:49:04.828 --> 01:49:08.878 And you may also wish to give it equipment or system or prior my note. 891 01:49:08.878 --> 01:49:14.759 And often this information appears on a container or package it. 892 01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:22.109 And for video games, the video game, best practice also suggest. 893 01:49:22.109 --> 01:49:25.469 Consider it a 753 for the platform. 894 01:49:25.469 --> 01:49:31.469 In that sort of standardized vocabulary in addition to the 538. 895 01:49:31.469 --> 01:49:37.469 At some of these can get very long and involved. 896 01:49:37.469 --> 01:49:41.429 Because the policy statement. 897 01:49:41.429 --> 01:49:47.399 Says to use the alternative and I of an I read the label for direct access computer resources. 898 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:51.868 Except for moving images, you should prefer the title on the label. 899 01:49:51.868 --> 01:49:58.769 And in all cases it's required, or a good idea to give a note on the source of the title. 900 01:49:58.769 --> 01:50:02.488 And to be generous with your alternative titles. 901 01:50:02.488 --> 01:50:11.458 So, how about the USB flash drive again? There's no standardized standalone playback device for these. 902 01:50:11.458 --> 01:50:19.529 So, I would treat them as tangible computer carriers from a cataloging standpoint. They're pretty much like optical. 903 01:50:19.529 --> 01:50:22.889 Except they have a different shape and can potentially be. 904 01:50:22.889 --> 01:50:29.998 Weed right. 905 01:50:33.509 --> 01:50:38.099 So again, record type and content varies based on content. 906 01:50:38.099 --> 01:50:42.779 And forms should be queue for direct access, computer resources. 907 01:50:42.779 --> 01:50:51.149 The media type is computer and the carrier type is computer chip cartridge. 908 01:50:55.019 --> 01:50:58.588 So, although you could say it, 1 computer. 909 01:50:58.588 --> 01:51:05.998 Chip cartridge here I would definitely prefer the term and companies ask for dimensions. 910 01:51:05.998 --> 01:51:09.538 Already appears to say to record. 911 01:51:09.538 --> 01:51:14.338 So, banks at the side of the cartridge, that is to be inserted into the machine. 912 01:51:14.338 --> 01:51:17.458 The example, and for computer cartridges. 913 01:51:17.458 --> 01:51:22.109 Get 10 centimeters as the dimensions of some sort of computer chip cartridge. 914 01:51:22.109 --> 01:51:26.939 So, that makes it seem to me, like, you would have a very short light pier for us to be. 915 01:51:26.939 --> 01:51:31.948 Drives many of the records I found in actually give 2 dimensions. 916 01:51:31.948 --> 01:51:37.319 Which I can see how that could be helpful since USB drive to come in so many shapes. 917 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:44.609 But it does literally seem to say, just measure the side that goes into the computer. 918 01:51:44.609 --> 01:51:50.698 And you may also want to give a system requirements notes. 919 01:51:50.698 --> 01:51:58.588 Sometimes vendors list B drives or DVDs or hard drives. 920 01:51:58.588 --> 01:52:01.979 Or other storage devices with the intention. 921 01:52:01.979 --> 01:52:08.038 Of the library loading it onto a local server for their users. 922 01:52:08.038 --> 01:52:11.668 In this case, you may want to catalog the right version. 923 01:52:11.668 --> 01:52:17.038 Rather than the tangible carrier, this is likely to be less confusing for your users. 924 01:52:17.038 --> 01:52:21.868 And is essentially a local reproduction, like locally hosted streaming videos. 925 01:52:21.868 --> 01:52:25.859 Described earlier in the presentation. 926 01:52:25.859 --> 01:52:31.679 And for all tangible digital resources, but especially for the following section, stay tuned. 927 01:52:31.679 --> 01:52:34.859 As more authoritative information is coming. 928 01:52:34.859 --> 01:52:38.368 All lack of the music library association have a task force. 929 01:52:38.368 --> 01:52:41.998 That is working on this and the goal of providing. 930 01:52:41.998 --> 01:52:46.109 Clear guidance for a variety of tangible digital carriers. 931 01:52:50.368 --> 01:52:55.559 And I see, we're running out of time. I was going to have 1 more question, but I think we'll skip it. 932 01:52:55.559 --> 01:52:59.099 This is a play away view and. 933 01:52:59.099 --> 01:53:05.759 Play always have been an area where this media and carrier type have been quite controversial. 934 01:53:05.759 --> 01:53:09.509 And since I originally did the slide for something else, apparently. 935 01:53:09.509 --> 01:53:12.868 They've discontinued the way view, but them. 936 01:53:12.868 --> 01:53:16.259 Principle is kind of the same the principle of the question. 937 01:53:16.259 --> 01:53:20.219 And the answer is that we'll have to wait for the official answer. 938 01:53:20.219 --> 01:53:23.219 My own inclination is to consider it. 939 01:53:23.219 --> 01:53:26.519 A stand alone video. 940 01:53:26.519 --> 01:53:30.988 Playback device and put it under video and other, but. 941 01:53:30.988 --> 01:53:37.918 All that does have some preliminary recommendations and their preliminary recommendations. 942 01:53:37.918 --> 01:53:42.719 Or to use both audio and computer as media type. 943 01:53:42.719 --> 01:53:45.719 And then other is carrier with 1 audio, meaning. 944 01:53:45.719 --> 01:53:49.679 Yeah, a player in the 300. 945 01:53:49.679 --> 01:53:53.668 If you look at the play away at vendor, CAD and logging. 946 01:53:53.668 --> 01:53:57.029 They call it audio plus. 947 01:53:57.029 --> 01:54:03.628 Which there was an argument on the list a long time ago that they should be considered an mediated. 948 01:54:03.628 --> 01:54:06.748 Because the user doesn't have to get a device. 949 01:54:06.748 --> 01:54:10.439 To play them. 950 01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:14.609 And I think this is kind of the wrong way to look at it. 951 01:54:14.609 --> 01:54:21.658 Because you still there is some mediation going on, even though it's transparent to the end user. 952 01:54:21.658 --> 01:54:28.498 That bits and bites have to be transformed in some way and you do actually have to know. 953 01:54:28.498 --> 01:54:37.109 Have a battery or something charged up for it to work. So what makes the situation here unusual? Is that the intermediation device. 954 01:54:37.109 --> 01:54:40.408 Is an extra combined combined with the carrier. 955 01:54:40.408 --> 01:54:43.948 And I have a few more slides. 956 01:54:43.948 --> 01:54:48.359 About the olack preliminary recommendations. 957 01:54:48.359 --> 01:54:51.809 Which I don't really have anything to say about. 958 01:54:51.809 --> 01:54:55.769 So, I guess maybe I'll stop here and if people have any. 959 01:54:56.213 --> 01:55:04.854 Last questions for the last couple minutes Thank you so much. Kelly McKenzie go ahead and click on the raise hand. 960 01:55:04.854 --> 01:55:11.363 If you want to ask a question through your microphone, you can also type questions into chat. 961 01:55:15.179 --> 01:55:19.529 This has been a fascinating have learned a lot to to say Kelly, thank you so much. 962 01:55:19.529 --> 01:55:22.679 I am looking for. 963 01:55:22.679 --> 01:55:27.149 Raise hands or checked in questions. 964 01:55:28.679 --> 01:55:32.578 This makes me feel fortunate that I'm mainly catalogue music. 965 01:55:32.578 --> 01:55:41.009 And tangible music I don't have to do it with a lot of this. It is it is very, very gray, isn't it? 966 01:55:41.009 --> 01:55:46.618 Well, that's kind of the challenge I thought, you know. 967 01:55:46.618 --> 01:55:52.229 I tend to be a person that has a hard time seeing things in black and white anyway but of course. 968 01:55:52.229 --> 01:56:03.868 You know, I think a lot of times when people come to these presentations, they want somebody to tell them what the answer is. And I'm not very good at that. It's like, wow, you could look at it this way. You could look at it that way. 969 01:56:03.868 --> 01:56:11.189 So, I sort of inherent in the media, I think. 970 01:56:11.189 --> 01:56:25.979 You know, somewhat helpful, despite the fact that it wasn't definitive in many areas. Absolutely. At least I appreciated you presenting choices so you could do it this way or that way. 971 01:56:25.979 --> 01:56:30.929 And, you know, think about what's good to convey the most for the end user. 972 01:56:30.929 --> 01:56:36.809 And and help them choose what it is, they want, um. 973 01:56:36.809 --> 01:56:41.338 I believe we don't have any questions. 974 01:56:41.338 --> 01:56:52.559 Um, but again, thank you very much colleague. I learned a lot this afternoon. I hope everyone else did too based on the chat that was going on. I would say absolutely. 975 01:56:52.559 --> 01:57:00.359 All right, well, thank you everybody for sticking with it til the end and I hope you enjoy the rest of the conference. 976 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:04.469 Thank you so much collie take care. 977 01:57:04.469 --> 01:57:07.859 5.